These shorts are just what I wanted.(Though I sure would love more colors!) I went a size up from all my previous Dovetail pants (due to some pandemic pounds, not the shorts) and was worried at first they would still be too tight but have them a chance. True to form (so to speak) they loosened up nicely s most my other DT wear. In fact, I'd probably need a belt if working in them. For just kicking around (hello, pandemic pounds!) they were perfect. The fabric is crisp but I have confidence that will soften up nicely with wear and washing.